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First off- I think we need to have both a JV AND Varsity team- otherwise I will never make the cut Cool

And i am offering to be the JV team leader (do JV teams even have captains) - that is until i make Varisty that is..lol

ok so to start it off- here is my first newbie question b/c its seriously annoying the hell outta me- i wasted 90% of my energy yesterday trying to get the board under my feet so i could attempt to get up

so far stepping on the board, getting my feet in and then sitting down seems to be the most successful- but i was at nahant yesterday and my big problem was i would get one foot in a binding and then the board would twist putting me in a bad direction to start

if i just sit down and then try and get my feet on the board i find myself floating too much and loosing my balance and well you can probably guess the rest

im getting tired of wasting all my energy on this...any ideas suggestions insights?

thanks much!
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Ok well I guess that was just about as good as any for a JV and Varsity announcement. Seeing how you are our first JV "_______" then you must name it! Then you need to put that in your signature Cool

I totally get your question.. But its most likely is a combination off things
1. yesterday there was not enough wind (so you were set up for frustration)
2. the breakers were a pain and only gave windows of opportunity
3. the wind was light so the kite wasn't as stable. If the kite could be put slightly down in the window it would give a steady pull, then you could let it pull you ever slightly this way at least there is input and the kite wont stall. Set in the window slightly at least its only on one side and you can balance your movements knowing it not ever changing.
4. put your hand centered on the bar
5. practice letting go of the bar and watching the kite. it will from 12 hang then depending on wind eventually will beging to drop to a side of the window. Use this hang time to do you thing
6. Once your feet are in the straps extending one foot more than the other will make you spin left or right depending on foot.
7. You were not deep enough.. again the breakers your body out of the water is difficult
8. Move the kite to make sure you are in control before its one correction after another.
9. My favorite.... See you Sat LOL

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You gotta own this sport!!

Once you get it you can forget it Wink

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i figured I wasn't deep enough but when im deeper I start floating when i try and put the board on- all wishy washy and stuff- being shallow allowed me a little more control

ive never tried letting go of the bar with both hands (unless SK was holding the bar for me, haha) - I'll give it a go this weekend (hopefully- wind forecasts aren't too pretty right now)

thanks!

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I started work on the JV/V Swim Team pages, so check them out.

I will get an article on board skill for the JV team up this morning to cover getting the board on your feet Smile

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Lauren,

When you are in the water with a downed kite even if it is bobbing to relaunch. If you release the bar you have time to collect your thoughts and yardsale LOL. The kite if arched in a c at the edge looks like its going to launch itself it will then it will go up 2 feet and comeback on its wing tip. If you think you have to keep it from looping or something you will grab the bar. Then so much as touching the bar will give it that kind of input to be powered. So practice hands off. Sometime I park the kite on the water this way while standing on the beach to fix a strap or rest. But this trust will help you progress knowing how to keep the kite docile.

So yes letting go of the bar in a good wind will give you 10 sec to adjust your board. But this is not a technique or one that you need once it all comes together. But nice to know. You can let go of the bar and the kite falls to the water.

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ok so now that ive addressed the board thing - im going to jump ahead to when i can actually get up -next hurdle i know i'll face- riding with my left foot forward.

With wakeboarding I was always right foot forward, none of this riding switch stuff- i absolutely suck at riding switch/regular (i snowboard too and when i try to ride regular i look like an idiot) - with wakeboarding i never gave it shot - in fact i was more likly to try a 360 than i 180 sololy for the fact that i wouldn't want my left foot forward.

anyone got ideas about that?

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it really should feel all that much different when you switch directions. i think it is most likely a mental hurdle rather than a physical one. With snowboarding and wakeboarding it's a little more awkward because you are traveling in the same direction as the pull (i.e. towards the boat or down the mountain). with kiting you are going across the pull. think of it like trying to run forwards and backwards, you can't go backwards as fast and it's awkward to try, but you can run side to side without a problem.

plus if you have to learn the other foot if you want to make it back to the beach!

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SK is so spot on! Yeah you are leaning and cutting into the surface with more balance harnessed rather than sliding and using your own balance.

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side to side i like it- great mental visual! there better wind tomorrow - im psyched to try out all the tips!

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did you get a board for yourself yet?

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Yea I did, I picked up one from Elliot (aka Sum..something) - It's a little short (128 Long Ocean 06') but I was trying it at Nahant last week and although I only got to feel it for the 5 seconds I was up, I think I'm going to like it.

So my initial setup is complete Cool - now to get some time on the water to test everyone's advice!

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killer.

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Another newbie question- how does one self launch a kite on land. There's a chance ill be flying solo next week on the cape but I have no idea how to safely launch the kite solo.

Any suggestions? tips? etc....

many thanks!!
Lauren~

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Did you read the Varsity article?

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i hadn't ventured that far yet- i was sticking to the JV artciles- very cool though

One point of confusion for your dyslexic friend :?
"Flip your kite over so that the leading edge is into the wind and the top of the canopy is on the ground."

not getting a great visual representation of this in my mind- any additional explanation for this part would be helpful :mrgreen

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It means like this...

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Hero.

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Rediculously funny!! This is still a horrible way to explain. A video here would be better. WHich also makes me realize this too needs to be done. A few vid clips to mix in w/ articles. Those graphics are hardcore!!

But seriously you need to do this the first time with help and someone to show you. I got dragged 20 feet once. The kite can roll over and try to launch accross shells too!!!. Its finess and dangerous and no one does this accept rare occasion. I assume some one will be on teh beach. Better to use a bystander. But then you have to make sure 1. you pick up the kite and give it to them to hold in position. 2 hope they handle the kite flopping a bit 3. make sure they understand thumbs up only 4. MNake sure they do not throw the kite. Assure theme they do nothing other than lend a stable hand . 5. Make sure the do not grab the lines to secure kite.

Self launch is Varsity fro a reason.. you can learn now, just make sure you learn with a coach.

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I went to get the vids and realized their is many ways.

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we'll shoot a video the next time we are at the beach.

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Sand bag method, sand in wing tip, drift launch(wind direction permitting)

PB is offshore so the drift worked for Sump and I our last visit. Sump was kiting in and trying to help my kite get on the wing tip. Was pretty amusing...

But I am not sure which way I prefer. The sand way the kite can roll over. The sandbag/beach screw, truck hitch Ive never done, looks easy. Set up lines attach chicken loop. Walk to kite put on wing tip and go back and hook in and launch.

Seems easy till yah do it.

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f'in LOVED the images- not sure it helped but gave me a much needed laugh Laughing out loud

hopefully i can learn a self launch with someone around- by no means do I ever want to do one, but i know im going to have times where no one is around and i don't want that to stop me from going Cool

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mmmmm.... high life 40's are a whole other level.

JD one of these times you'll get one of those handed to you when you come off the water Shock holla!

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No one said I had to stay in with it :mrgreen: Shock Shock lla!!!!

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goldie, it's not that bad to self-launch. you'd do ok i am sure.

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im hoping to try it this weekend with someone around so first time i have to do it solo, it isn't the first time Cool

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the other thing you can do is ask for a non-kiter to help launch, then self-land.

if you ask a non-kiter, just make sure you set the kite up in launch position exactly how you want it, then ask them to just hold it there.

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yea i figure that is always an option, i would like to be a better launcher though, i tend to hit whoever is holding my kite a few times before i get it up :oops:

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lagoldfinger wrote:
yea i figure that is always an option, i would like to be a better launcher though, i tend to hit whoever is holding my kite a few times before i get it up :oops:

i am sure the problems getting up up will pass with some confidence and some experience.

if you self-launch, don't have to worry about hitting the launcher!

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yea thats why i want to learn how to do it, ive already hit one lady and nearly taken out a dog and some kids with crashing kites- i am not really up for showing my appreciation to some stranger for helping me by hitting him - lol

so ill practice self launching this weekend...

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I learned on a sandbar with no one else around....that way you don't have to worry about any people/objects around.

if i am around, you know i would be happy to help you.

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sounds good- if duck harbor is as empty as it was last time we went it will be a good place to practice

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Nahant and Chapin and Wellfleet beach/sand bar.. plenty of room..

I love the spirit though... "Go hard or go home!!"

I can hear her now mocking the launcher or the dog walker at their obvious ignorance to the newbie process Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud

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Laughing out loud Laughing out loud :mrgreen:

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I said "do watcher" instead of "dog walker" already corrected, and actually spot on!

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Lauren - did you get to try self -launching?
Here's a photo of my learning to self-launch at Nahant in <10mph winds - should have done it over the water as I lucked out no shells cut the fabric - I learned on my own that from this position in the photo to pull one steering line in so that one wing came closer to me and the kite layed with it's 'top' fabric down - then start to let go of the steering line as the kite fills with air and the other wing comes up to right itself. <10 is good to practice this in.

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Nice picture... and good to see you on here Christian!

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So while riding around revere today I noticed that while I was in the water my kite occasionally crept over my head. I was really worried that if it went far enough that it would just fall out of the sky...

Are there things I can try to focus on to keep the kite in a better position while in the water.

Hope everyone got a good day on the water too! Revere was ok....there the wind was gusty at best and then died about 4ish. Met some cool people today and saw pierce again. got the opportunity to watch one guy ride super short lines which was really interesting to watch. It seemed that with very small bar motions the kite made huge changes in directions. wicked cool.

One of these days i'll actually take some pictures...

Cheers!

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When it's windy or especially when it's gusty, if you park the kite at 12 it will overlfy you. When it gets over your head, not only do you have to worry about it hindenburging, but it will also be very slow to respond.

Cure this by either keeping the kite moving while you have it at 12 (between 1130 and 1230) or be parking it on the edge of the window.

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I've been pulling in the bar abit to backstall the kite -works great - but this might contribute to a loft in overpowered conditions though..... anybody have words of wisdom as to whether proper trimming will keep an LEI in check? - I know that's how we keep the foils from overflying

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Ben,

why the worry about noon. Yes it easier to keep the kite in control on a side rather than 12 but why are you worried about the3 kite there. Maybe I do not understand overflying the kite and this maybe a check for me to learn.

Christian,

Welcome! Jermy and Willy almost sent me to meet up with you the day you left Revere for Nahant. I bailed as I had stuff to do. But I hear that you are pretty seriously addicted!! I also heard you do allot with video ect. We are and on going project so I welcome any help here.

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JD,

I'm finding that as the wind lets up a little (or a lot) the kite can sometimes migrate over head as I get my board set collect my thoughts (and what not). Was really worried that it was going to fall out of the sky on me. I had a really great session sunday though....got up wind a little too; not enough to say that I can stay up wind but it's a start.

Laughing out loud

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Ok I thought I read you right. This is fine and this is what you should do is get the kite overhead. That way you are not being pulled left or right will situating your board. Be aware of your sheeting usually with the kite overhead you sheet out a tad and small corrections of the kite to keep it centered. Standing on the beach is where you keep kit slightly to one side and lean against it. But in the water after a crash noon is where you want the kite to go if not in the water. This advice certainly applies to your new bow kite. With the bow practice letting go of the bar. The kite will sit at noon and slowly go to one side then will rest in a relaunch position(Not good idea unless you have good wind to relaunch). Sometimes I do this to play with my board or swim a few strokes upwind to retrieve it. If the bow is in the water on its edge looking like it wants to relaunch you can keep your hands of the bar. You will feel like you want to grab it but this will power the kite. You will see it lift and settle left and settle. If you grab then you must fly it. So letting it bounce on the edge is safe and you can catch your breath.

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Hey Johnny! Addicted -check, frustrated most of the time -check, happy to landboard for hours today (mostly powerslides) -check, ready to get back in the water -check... where's the JV Team sign up board and requisite T-Shirt? Wink

I do work in video with Apple so any help you need with edit/compressing/posting would be no problem in exchange for little technique advice (trying to avoid the 'L' word Wink

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HAHA.. the T-shirt is in the works. Settling out a bunch of designs currently. Know any artists a few of us have been pretty creative but yet to pull the trigger on the design. Ohh the JV team your signed up, not to worry I will come hopefully to yoru next swim meet to lend that advice!

I hope to hear plenty of "&$^##" and ")%($*#!" as you work on your board off body drags. :worried:

JK

But in regard to helping the site along it open to anyone really. All a matter of who has extra time and would like to say they help start something really. There is a login to create session reports as an author for the site vs the forum. For the more technically creative there is a backend for page and menu designs too. Anything that is creative such as video and photoshop pieces, ideas and logos ect are why we all login. Waiting to see soemthing new.. Cool

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