Most popular kiteboarding beaches in MA

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Most popular kiteboarding beaches in MA

Hey gang,

I need to know which are the most popular kiteboarding beaches in MA. Being a Cape resident I'm not familiar with the urban locations, so please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd have to say they are ones with SW exposure:

West Dennis
Hardings
Revere

And maybe Horseneck? Or Pleasure Bay?

Thanks for your input.

Add Nahant and Pleasure Bay,

Add Nahant and Pleasure Bay, both kiteable on a sw

Revere is popular, but it needs much more south or east to work.

NE is good at Winthrop/Yirell

NE is good at Winthrop/Yirell

SE to West is great at Horseneck (my personal favorite)

Thanks for the info

Thanks guys, I had no idea about Nahant. What would you say a busy day looks like at a Boston beach? I think Chapin can have up to 50 kiters, WD prob around 30-40 if I had to guess? Can't remember the last time I was there so not sure what it's like these days.

It really does vary of course...

but: Nahant has two workable beaches, one on the West side (Dog beach) and one on the East side (Long beach). Both can handle a lot of kiters, but in my experience 20 kites at dog and the same number at long beach is a lot. Both work on a SW, but on a West  only Dog is recommended [it's not hard to find a many-kiter rant on off-shore kiting at Long beach on this forum :) ]

For Revere, an average good day is probably 10-20 kites, but I have seen a few days with well over 30. Broad sound is a HUGE, extremely tidal playground and generally it is not hard to get a nice piece of ocean to yourself either at Dog or Revere Beach.

P-bay on the other hand...I have seen 20-30+ kites  crammed into the south-end of the pond...enough that I usually kite on the outside in the bay to avoid the crowd (and resultant attitude).

Ive seen as masy as 70 kites

Ive seen as masy as 70 kites in the air at Chapin --- Looks awesome! 

 

Popular beaches.

I would think that Chapin and Mayflower, not open to kiters during the summer, are the two most visited beaches on a year round basis.  When the plovers and other species of concern are around though other beaches are more popular. West Dennis, Hardings, First Encounter and Chapin are the most popular launches on the cape when the birds are around. On Buzzards Bay, Horseneck and West Island get the bulk of the summer visits and around Boston its Nahant, Revere and P-Bay.  All of these beaches also get a very large number of others visiting while the birds are staging and nesting.  These other visitors, often in hundreds per day, tend to come and stay on the beach and are likely to have an impact that is orders of magnituge greater than that of kiters.  These people tend to bring food, toys, protable furniture, wind screes, sometimes dogs, and even barbecues.  I have frequently seen their un-leashed dogs tearing through the nesting and staging areas.  Needless to say, this is not likely to be good for the reproductive success of the species of concern.  With so many people, bringing so much stuff, food and trash with food waste is also inevitably left behild.  This in turn attracts gulls, crows, foxes, coyotes and all manner of other wild life to the beach. These animals often end up preying on the young of the species of concern.  Again, not good for the reproductive success of the species of concern.  I have talked to the Audobon society monitors at the Chatham beaches and this is their assessment of the situation as well.  Regretably, its hard for them to come out and say they do not see kiteboarders as a problem because this would seem to contradict the official position held by the organization they work for.

In contrast to the relative horde of regular beach visitors, a relatively small number of kiters, 40 to 50 on a really big day at most of these beaches but typically less than a dozzen, tend to come to the beach, set their gear up, ride for a couple of hours (on the water not the beach), socialize for a bit and go home.  We do offer a striking visual profile and our numbers and impact on the beach may often be over stated because of this.  In terms of our visits to the beach its very hard to make the case that even at the most popular beaches among kiteboarders our impact on the wildlife, including species of concern is anywhere near comparable to that of the garden variety day at the beach type visitors.

Just some thoughts on this..

Thanks Pete

Thanks for the great info Pete. Same invasion happens on Seashore beaches at the height of the shorebird breeding season July & Aug. Could be a lot of the same people, or at least like minded people. Mind if I plagiarize your work?

And thanks everyone for the important info. Looking up the beaches you all have told me about it appears almost all of them successfully fledged threatened/endangered shorebirds in 2015: Nahant, Revere, Horseneck, West Is, WD, Chapin, and Hardings. Fair to say I don't think kiteboarding is having the negative impact on shorebird populations that some claim, especially considering all the other disturbances occurring at those sites.

Someone got a response back

Someone got a response back in the past year or so stating that they were aware of the fact that the Revere numbers have increased along with the kiting population, and that they thought this was a localized case where the birds were able to adapt to their surroundings. So that statement should be used against them, because they admit that birds are able to learn what are threats and what are not threats. Why can't we assume that the birds are able to learn how to distinguish birds of prey from kites on another beach? Christa did a lot of research on that a few years ago, I used some of it in my arguments with the FWS and NPS.

Does anyone remember who got that letter?  Could you share it here?

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It wasn't you that got that

It wasn't you that got that letter Jean?  I have all those links, I'm looking for a personal letter that someone like Price or Libby stated they were aware of the Revere situation but argued that it was localized to Boston.

But you are right, “The incredible success in Revere is because they’re getting extraordinary protection,” said Katharine Parsons, director of Mass Audubon’s coastal waterbird program.

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Letters

Thanks for mentioning the letter Jermy. Even if you don't find it, it's important to know these things as we can call on Larry to get it if we know it exists. I know Jean has received letters from Price & Secretary Jewell's crony, & TimF got one from Price that could prove useful & which Larry could request if they don't provide it.

Price

Holly, I can provide Price's responce to my letter if you need it.

On the letters, I screwed up.

On the letters, I screwed up.  They made me so angry I tossed them away.....

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