Hardings - the solution
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 17:03
I've spoken with a few people about this now and I'm changing my course of action. There are some that are fearful of actions against the kiters who are identified as causing this mess. I did not think this through enough to realize a violent reaction could take place. Needless to say I am moving on from this and am offering to find out what I can about the state of kiteboarding access at Hardings and possibly will present something to the town and recreation department in the hopes this can open access again.
I will go in person to the Chatham rec department and the Harbormaster's office to find out what damage has been done and what we can do to establish some communication with the town.
However, I am a Brewster resident, not a Chatham resident. I know in the case of Barnstable, where I made inquiries about kiteboarding before a town resident needed to put forth a proposal to the rec department. I'm not sure if this is how it works in Chatham but I will find out. If there is a Chatham resident that would like to spearhead this please contact me by PM.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 17:11
#1
Jimmy I feel that as you
Jimmy I feel that as you suggest we did not communicate or make signs for obvious reasons. I agree with you about the change to now its a different story. I think its reasonable to suggest that without ability to communicate or post sign its hard to assist the town to make all beach goers happy. I would be happy to pen a letter for your and group review to suggest an apology make known that we have addressed the issue publicly and moving forward with clear expectations from town we can police.
Meaning with a nod from the town to act we can succeed. If I am off base consider this a constructive brainstorm trying to offer a solution.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 17:33
#2
I really respect the you have
I really respect the you have stepped up to this, it's clear that veteran help is sorely needed.
I am here to support in any way that I can.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 17:53
#3
Main Points:
1) Please MK
Main Points:
1) Please MK give some thought to the beaches page, while one train of thought is that it provides people with useful information it also is an advertisement of sorts that will attract more kiters to a particular beach. Some may be respectful and knowledgable but others can be ignorant assholes. It only takes one asshole to spoil it for everyone. If a kiter really wants to find good kiting spots then put a little effort into it and don't expect to be spoon fed. Spoon fed people usually turn out to be lazy and ignorant.
2) If you want to kite as a big group that is your choice but arrange this off line with the people you want to kite with (and trust), pasting the website with an open invite will surely attract the ignorant assholes too.
3) If the site continues to pubically promote kiting at specific spots this issue will surely occur sooner rather than later at other spots. The web site is not the only cause of these problems as there will always be stupid arrogant people out there but the web site does make these situations occur sooner rather than later.
4) This situation may be the result of many incidences but it boiled over because of a few people that recently dis-respected our sport and the public at large. Appolizing to the town would mean a lot more if the guilty parties manned up and appologized in person. "I'm sorry" from people that were not involved will not carry much weight.
5) Lastly, attitudes need to change, the safety of the non kiting public always comes first, remember this rule and and harmony will follow.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 18:13
#4
My two cents...
Thanks Jimmy C.
We should def work to post a sign(
with rules and delineate where to launch and land.
Secondly, one of those rules should be don't kite/jump within 100 yds of the beach except to launch and land. (Unless of course you are smacking the lip of a tasty wave:-)
Best of luck.
Personally, I've been enjoying SUP in the summer in the waves and have had a handful of kite sessions, I much prefer to kite in the off season 
, less people, kiters and much better wind.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 18:37
#5
Personable Approach
Jimmyc, thanks for thinking this through and making the effort to do this. I think it is best that we let one person make a personal inquiry rather than a group of people flooding the town with dozens of calls and emails. Sometimes all it takes is one to one talk calmly. In the meantime those planning to post names think it through because if that someone or group you are blaming is harmed by YOUR INCITEMENT you are just creating an even bigger problem for kiting in general and possible problems for yourself legally. Think it through.
I'm optimistic that this problem will be solved soon.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 20:07
#6
Chathams ban is likely a
Chathams ban is likely a limited one. like Barnstable, the rec department can do what ever they want. Typically a ban which can include stuff like dogs, fishing, kite flying, and other recreational activities they deem unsafe. These types are limited to seasonal requirements and resources to enforce them. While the Harbormasters office may be aware the problems hopefully they dont have a mandate, official or otherwise. I think the effort should be to identify to whome to apologise. Fall on their mercy.
Fortunatly, I dont think a real ban is possible. It would get expensive and litigated in the state house for god knows how long. The reality is, Chatham will either work with you or they won't. They dont control all the land and water all the time. Hopefully it can just go back to the way it was with a civil apology from those involved. Otherwise you'll be playing the A5K game, or sporting hot launches in WTW's.
In the end, the Town will likely just do as Barnstable did. Call it game over and seasonal A5K will be in effect. This will keep the masses away and the locals will be happy again. Trust me, you will get your water back. No Aloha for MK.
Tue, 07/26/2011 - 23:23
#7
It will be interesting to see
It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is. Will signs work? I doubt it.
After everything I have come to know about what happened I doubt kiting will be allowed at hardings
My question is what beach is next?
I will do whatever i can to help with this situation, but the bottom line is if people don't start using their heads kiting bans will be rampant!
Beaches and towns allow us to kite. There is not a right to kite.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 08:59
#8
Attitude
kitesite wrote:
It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this is. Will signs work? I doubt it.
After everything I have come to know about what happened I doubt kiting will be allowed at hardingsMy question is what beach is next?
I will do whatever i can to help with this situation, but the bottom line is if people don't start using their heads kiting bans will be rampant!
Beaches and towns allow us to kite. There is not a right to kite.
Well said, more than anything, we need a change in attitude amongst kiters in NE.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 09:37
#9
Buddy system
There should be a buddy system in place for new kiters to be around the more experienced kiters. We need to make sure that the new kiters are aware and are taught where to kite and where not to kite. Moreover, no kiter (experienced or newbie) should be kiting alone to ensure safety. Accidents happen.. that is why its called accidents.. and we need to make sure that no kiter is in a situation that may cause peril to him/herself or to any other person.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 10:02
#10
It's pretty bad. I heard
It's pretty bad. I heard there was a kiter peeing at Pbay. Now that's just deplorable!
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 09:37
#11
Signs won't work if someone has an attitude
You can't correct someone's attitude with a sign because there will always be some kiter that shows up on a beach feeling more entitled to put it a kite and do what he wants. Change your attitude first because how many times have you and your buddies been at your favorite local spot seen a group of kiters you've never seen before setting up away from you (where other kiters are) or somewhere they shouldn't be setting up and said "who are these kooks and what do they thinks they are doing?" and just sat there with an attitude and started acting all catty? Be honest? The best approach I think is going up those strangers (kiter( you've never seen) introduce yourself then ask if he or she is familiar with the riding rules here? If not just explain them. Better than any sign and it doesn't cost a thing. I've been doing that for years at Revere, Nahant and Doggy Beach when I can. Sometimes it discourages the people and most of the times the new kiters and some experienced are thankful and they feel less intimidated. However, having a flyer with guidelines is also better than a sign because you are passing directly the rules and responsibilities to the person you are giving it to. Take ownership of the rules by those approaches and they will work better than any sign you stick in the ground.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 10:42
#12
A solution starts here.
I composed a message for Jean, tho seems wholy appropriate for many here to read. Its just my opinion, nothing more. The last couple of days have been difficult for this community. Every effort should be made toward solidarity, and communication. I accept that I flamed the fire, I should have relized the impact and the anger that was going to come of it. For that I'm sorry and I hope this situation can be resolved to everyones satisfaction. That said, lets consider our options carefully.
" Jean. I do not hate you. I am angry though. Your continued denial relative to the sensitivity of local launches is disturbing. I commend the objectivity you have regarding newbie’s and safety; I fully understand and can appreciate your motives. I also had the same approach back in the day. Back then I was casted under similar light as you are now. In the end I listened to the community and relented, something that really is not within my nature as the stoke continues to run deep within me, I’m as enthusiastic as anyone, and yes, I’ve been known to get carried away. Kalmus and Barnstable was the first casualty on the Cape. While Kalmus had other extraneous things such as the long established windsurfers, the kiting community descended on the BigK and it was game over. I contributed to that and accept some personal responsibility for that. Then, WD was next. Fortunately Phil managed that situation. Now it’s Hardings. The closest launch to all of Monomoy; what’s been compromised goes well beyond the beach at Hardings. The most disturbing thing is that Chatham is also the heart of the Cape. There’s a saying I've heard, "As Chatham goes, the Cape follows..." something like that. Jean, the most well meaning people can be wrong. The issue isn’t to censor the information in an attempt have the beaches to ourselves. I truly believe we have a responsibility to share our knowledge with the new comers, and to promote safe and respectable riding etiquette and personal responsibility. Mass kiting has done a great job of collaborating and sharing important info, not all of that has to change. All of this isn’t MK's fault. Some individuals have ownership of this situation and they need to reconcile their enthusiasm for the sport with personal responsibility and maturity. It’s the simple fact that the industry of this sport would prefer to cast this as a main stream activity. The reality is, some people have no business on a kite, they will dab into it and within a season, maybe three, they will scare themselves and realize quickly, this is an extreme sport. Funneling these people and those with an attitude to already crowded the beaches is a problem. This isn’t a popularity contest, the mission should be (IMHO), to serve the community, not just the masses. How you do both is a challenge that MK has to handle. This isn’t about one ideology vs. another. I don’t want to see people get hurt. The fact that Mass kiting is so popular is partly because of the community and to some extent, the all too accessible information. Finding a balance is difficult. As these events have shown, it’s not easy being a leader. There must be a balanced mission from MK or the hostilities will continue. I was concerned when I heard people were fearful for their safety. I know tempers run hot, this sport is a passion for many, for some a lifestyle, complete with all the trappings of equity investments and NIMBY politics. The industry needs to focus on a remedy before kiting is banned on the State or Federal level. Right know MK holds the torch, very serious decisions need to be considered that go well beyond the most objective and well meaning initiatives. As the events the other day suggest, MK can't police their own, and they certainly can’t be burdened with policing the rest. So what’s next, our launches are gone, we now suffer with A5K, and/or hot launches in 'Ways to Water'? People need to seek out local support, they need to discover, they need to be humble and respectful, and then they will have the respect that comes with the responsibility for their surroundings. They themselves will pass the torch, not MK. This wholesale info bin on Mass kiting is doing exactly the opposite of what your intentions are. Just sayin."
reading that again I hear the sqweaky wheel of being condescending. If I had the time to stroke this more I would, I mean no offense.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 12:02
#13
Real (albeit informal) information from Chatham Parks
I just got off the phone with Dan T0bin, director of parks department in Chatham. I am optimistic that a very good outcome is still possible.
The good news is that he is a very personable and reasonable sounding guy, and he is meetng with some kiters on Friday to discuss. Since he has that meeting scheduled already and out of respect for his time, I kept it short. I will be communicating with him via email, and he said he would pass along the names of those kiters he is meeting with. I will post when I have them. I cannot go Friday, I will be out of state.
Here is what I did find out.
There is a ban at Hardings. I did ask who made that decision or what their source of authority is as I wanted to stay away from challenging his authority in any way at this time. (per discussions with Gato in other thread)
The cause - He said simply, we had some incidents recently and felt we should stop it "DURING THE SWIMMING SEASON". Shows that he is open to seasonality.
I am staying in the Stage Harbor lighthouse in a few weeks, so I asked him if it would be alright to launch over on Morris Island or on the beach near the lighthouse he said "The ban only applies to the Hardngs swimming area, not the entire beach" this being said: - DON'T GO THERE AND DEMAND TO KITE BASED ON THIS INFORMATION, DON'T BE THE GUY WHO SCREWS THIS UP, WAIT A FEW DAYS AND LET THE MEETING HAPPEN THERE IS NO WIND ANYWAY. BTW - I AM USING ALL CAPS BECASUE I AM YELLING NOW. SORRY ABOUT THE YELLING, BUT THIS IS SENSITIVE. Someone mentioned that the people at the gate said we cannot kite further down the beach, so maybe there is a failure to communicate that can be rectified Friday.
He asked me if the Forest Beach area would serve our needs, I told him that I had never kited there and did not know. It is clear that he wants us to have our fun.
I told him about the kiters in Vermont on Lake Champlain who have a set of rules the kiters wrote up, and who when faced with a kiter who will not abide when informed and asked, they go to the rangers and ask the rangers to expel the offender. The rules were maintained outside of the governmental authorities by the kiters, they just ask for enforcement. Dan expressed interest in this model and asked me to send along any info I can find, which I am doing. I asked one of the senior kiters for those rules last night.
He has only seen a few episodes of the "Parks and Recreation" sitcom, and thinks that his peeps are not being dissed.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 12:11
#14
I remember some years ago at
I remember some years ago at Horseneck, a rent-a-cop told me I wasn't allowed to windsurf there. It was October, there were 3 people on the beach. I wrote to the DCR, they immediately apologized for this individual's misunderstanding of the rules.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 12:25
#15
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 07:12
#16
This helps our image how?
I'll leave others to debate whether or not it's "hilariously applicable", but I question whether the video above helps the public perception of the group and of kiteboarders in general, especially at a time when you can be sure that decision makers and those with the power and influence to affect our access are looking to understand us, and perhaps using this site to do so. I wonder how their verdicts regarding kiting access might be impacted if they inferred that by the posting of the video they were being lumped into one of the groups maligned in the video. I'm not saying that was the intent -- I certainly hope it wasn't -- but it doesn't seem like ot would be a huge stretch for this to be misinterpreted. To me, there seems to be a real need to put our very best foot forward right now.
Admins: feel free to delete my message if desired.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 12:39
#17
Like Jean said
Like Jean points out, it could happen that Friday he clarifies the ban with his staff, and we can just walk down the beach.
BTW - one of the interesting things that my Vermont friend said was that it was important to approach the authorities in an informal and apparently disorganized way. They found that it gave them an opportunity to feel out the attitudes and concerns of the authorities without making their offhand comments binding. Then, when they had enough understanding of their concerns they could make a proposal that addressed those concerns.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 12:45
#18
Approach
Waller wrote:
Respectfully Jean, that is not going to happen here, the director of the parks department is backing up whoever made the call, and may have made it himself. lets see what JimmyC finds out. BTW - one of the interesting things that my Vermont friend said was that it was important to approach the authorities in an informal and apparently disorganized way. They found that it gave them an opportunity to feel out the attitudes and concerns of the authorities without making their offhand comments binding. Then, when they had enough understanding of thir concerns they could make a proposal that addressed those concerns.
I talked to the Park Director and to Jimmy C. Both of them are very reasonable people, and Jimmy is exactly the right person to talk to the Park Director. Please don't fuck it up by calling the dude from 100 different sides, we have a very good approach and I'm confident that things will work out.
In parallel to that, the attitude among kiters has to change. The commonly seen Frat Boy mentality will ruin this sport in the long term, we need to show respect and act as reasonable, grown up individuals. This is the key to sustainable access to beaches in this area, no signs, rules or regulations can ever achieve this. I highly encourage Masskiting to deliver this message consistently, both on the online platform and through their behavior. Realize that newbies look up to us and follow our behavior. Don't tolerate this behavior when you observe this. Make this message the very first thing someone reads when visiting Masskiting.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:01
#19
You quoted me too soon
Leo, you quoted me before I realized my misinterpretation of Jean's post, and I have since corrected my response.
You are right Leo, I don't mean to encourage war dialing the poor guy, but I think it is good that he has heard a few voices, and none that try to represent all of us as a formal representative.
Since you talked to him also, what did you learn?
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:06
#20
Meeting
Leo... it sounds like you have all the answers. Can you conduct a meeting with the rest of the masskiters and tell us what we should be doing to follow your footsteps.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:15
#21
np
It's G wrote:
Leo... it sounds like you have all the answers. Can you conduct a meeting with the rest of the masskiters and tell us what we should be doing to follow your footsteps.
I'm happy to meet once things are settled, but all of it boils down to what I outlined in bold in my prior posting
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:16
#22
All this sounds very
All this sounds very optimistic, thank you for your efforts. Goodluck to JC and the crew on Friday.
Forest may be an issue tho. Its a well established windsurfing area and I believe parking is limited during the season to residents only. Stuffing ourselves into Forest, an already insanely tight area; especially at High tide will not be popular.
I'm sure the recreation department doesnt want kiters directly on their beach area anyways. I imagine the areas governed by the recreation department end someplace.
Maybe identifying where the recreation department areas start and end at Hardings could be a clue as to where we can launch. Finding a place that is not controlled by guards and then go even further away. I realize Chatham doesnt need the kiter money, but it seems foolish to ignore revenue and still live with kiters anyway. Why not suggest sending people down the beach as long as theres no conflict with seasonal Plover issues etc. Ask them how far is far enough.
Thats the place for a sign, infact, the rec department could just say yes, kiting is allowed outside of the recreation departments area, walk to the sign and read it. Do not launch west of the sign. Maintain at least 300 yards from the swim area. Kite at your own risk, avoid the channel, vessels have right of way etc. Kiteboarding in Chatham is not a right, its a priviledge that the town permits with conditions. Chatham reserves the right to close permanently or temporarily any activity on their beaches. No littering. Emergency phone numbers, lost and found etc.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 12:56
#23
Weird how the message
Weird how the message changed. Anyway, I'm not suggesting a parallel, just a little insight into how these things go sometimes. I plan to continue listening to what the life guards are asking me to do and do it. I will refrain from kiting drunk as I have been able to do thus far, and I promise not to call you fat.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:02
#24
Leo quoted me too fast...
Leo, you quoted me before I realized my misinterpretation of Jean's post, and I have since corrected my response.
You are right Leo, I don't mean to encourage war dialing the poor guy, but I think it is good that he has heard a few voices, and none that try to represent all of us as a formal representative.
Since you talked to him also, what did you learn?
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:25
#25
In case Hardings get's kiting BAN
Here is your option and you are welcome there just remember you ARE NOT A LOCAL but if you come with us we can take good care of ya and no one will ever say anything to you because if they do we'll BAN them from ever kiting there:
Love and Peace
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:12
#26
Since
Waller wrote:
Leo, you quoted me before I realized my misinterpretation of Jean's post, and I have since corrected my response.You are right Leo, I don't mean to encourage war dialing the poor guy, but I think it is good that he has heard a few voices, and none that try to represent all of us as a formal representative.
Since you talked to him also, what did you learn?
He's pissed, but a very nice and reasonable guy. Jimmy will approach him in a similar fashion (nice and reasonable, not pissed), and I'm sure we can find a good solution without creating a lot of noise. Until then, stay put.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:22
#27
Message
Dunoyer wrote:
Weird how the message changed. Anyway, I'm not suggesting a parallel, just a little insight into how these things go sometimes. I plan to continue listening to what the life guards are asking me to do and do it. I will refrain from kiting drunk as I have been able to do thus far, and I promise not to call you fat.
What message has changed?
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 13:38
#28
:0P
The one from the movie clip?
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 14:13
#29
just that thing where you
just that thing where you quote Wally, then he edited his response.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 14:46
#30
Yep
Dunoyer wrote:
just that thing where you quote Wally, then he edited his response.
Ha, yes, that is weird.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 14:46
#31
Thanks jimmyc and anyone else
Thanks jimmyc and anyone else helping. Please see my post on ikitesurf forum where a floridian out lined some of the steps that one may need to do in the future. Our problem is not unique.
Perhaps MK and ALL ( I too am yelling) kiting web sites should first post kiting etiquette before safety issues and lastly kite beaches?
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 14:49
#32
Etiquette
flylow wrote:
Thanks jimmyc and anyone else helping. Please see my post on ikitesurf forum where a floridian out lined some of the steps that one may need to do in the future. Our problem is not unique.
Perhaps MK and ALL ( I too am yelling) kiting web sites should first post kiting etiquette before safety issues and lastly kite beaches?
Yes, but I would consider safety as an equally important part of a good attitude (act responsible and mature = don't endanger yourself and others)
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 14:58
#33
Now I like that!
Act responsible and mature = don't endanger yourself and others.
Boom
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 14:55
#34
so... what about
so... what about this:
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 15:19
#35
Yep
Dunoyer wrote:
so... what about this:
It's a good start. Let's brainstorm the main points we want to get across and structure the message according to these. Something like SMART (Safe, Mature, Appreciative, Respectful and Tolerant)
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 15:19
#36
If you guys can throw your
If you guys can throw your ideas in that thread Jean started, I can use that for the official page.
edit: and btw i like the SMART a lot!
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 15:56
#37
Yes, acronymns, they love
Yes, acronymns, they love using those at my kids' Middle School. We should also edit out all drinking from any videos in the future.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 15:18
#38
We can do this... I think we
We can do this... I think we might have to switch up the format of some of our site. Please bear with us as it will be a work-in-progress for a bit. And please let me know if you have any ideas... either via the forum or via PM.
Wed, 07/27/2011 - 18:18
#39
One thing that I did not see
One thing that I did not see mentioned yet :
Specific to Hardings, should we self enforce that kiting should only be allowed when the wind is SW or at least enough west to heard over to the flats?
The reason I bring this up is because 4th of July weekend nonsense was exacerbated because the wind was an odd angle of S or SSE which drove many towards the swim area. If it was SW that weekend most would have been out of sight in the flats except to launch and land.
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:30
#40
please comment...
I couldn't find some rules that were posted earlier about Hardings... but here is a first stab at a sign. Nothing is in stone. I kept the same look for the sign as the one I made for Phil at WD. Please comment.
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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:34
#41
Can't really see it. But
Can't really see it. But nice work on the WD sign, I didn't know you were the author.
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 17:45
#42
sorry, made it bigger. my B.
sorry, made it bigger. my B.
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 18:38
#43
Some thoughts
Great starting point!
Some reference to where Stage Harbor is on the map might be helpful
Some mention of the fine for encroaching on the swimming area and the fines amount might help with deterence (I think someone mentioned a published amount for the fine exists)
Would it be clearer to say boats have the right of way in the channel
Could we say "Respect other beach goers" vs. "Respect other kiteboarders" There were a lot of beach goers walking along that strech of beach last time I was there and it is pretty narrow, especially at high tide.
Hope these comments help
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 23:19
#44
I agree that mentioning the $
I agree that mentioning the $ fine might be additional incentive, even if it isn't currently enforced-
"$100 fine for kiting within 150 ft of lifeguard area."
Fri, 07/29/2011 - 07:11
#45
I Don't think it's a good
I Don't think it's a good idea to mention a fine. I like the idea of this sign being there for us to self police. I don't want someone on the beach to read it and be ready point out to an official that they should be fining us.
Fri, 07/29/2011 - 07:50
#46
I think we should be fined if
I think we should be fined if we go in the lifeguard area! It's much better than losing access.
That is the actual town ordinance. It's better that people know about it IMHO.
In practise it probably wouldn't be enforced, as it hasn't so far, but maybe if the lifeguards get pissed at 1 bad individual, maybe they could fine him instead of pulling the plug on all of us.
Sat, 07/30/2011 - 21:00
#47
I believe the only 2 people
I believe the only 2 people that can give fines are the police and the Harbormaster. JimmyC went over that with Dan. I could be wrong.
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 21:17
#48
Thoughts
RE: DO NOT kite in swimming area Please keep distance from all swimmers. Should read "Do not kite in marked "no kite zone" by Launching South of the pole
I think the swim area goes deeper. I also wonder how you might get the white bouy or mention that the white one at the very end is the marker. But really the message might be best to get the "no kite zone" to extend more toward that wooden post. That way its not a kite to the edge of swim zone senario. Lifegaurd should have no reason to keep a finger on a horn and its easier to police.
Maybe to add a arrow pointing and saying "Launch South >" of the no kite zone to launch. Like almost to mean down be lazy walk as far south as possible to avoid all beachgoers"
"Respect and yield to beachgoers..? "
Thank you for doing your part to keep kiteboarding safe at Hardings Beach!
(or something like this to could work)
Thank you for helping to keep kiteboarding accessible and assist the staff.
Thu, 07/28/2011 - 23:30
#49
While we're trying to make
While we're trying to make improvements I wish we could help the situation at W Dennis. I've only been there once this Summer season and the first thing I saw was somebody draggin thru the Plover zone.
I know Phil has worked really hard (also Jermy made the sign- thanks) to keep access and it seems like the bouys and signage aren't enough.
I'm sure it's a set up for probelms with lots of beginners and the bouys being so close to the launch area. Maybe there's nothing that can be done but it would be great to at least try.
Fri, 07/29/2011 - 06:58
#50
Here is the appropriate sign
Please
[img_assist|nid=4572|title=Stay the hell out of Chatham!|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=600|height=450]