No more cold hands!

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Good use of renewable energy .

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I wonder how this concept

I wonder how this concept would work with a baggy dry suit.

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No more cold hands

Matth wrote:
http://www.ianovated.co.uk/background/

Good use of renewable energy .

Thank you for this posting Matth, the traffic it took to my web site is much appreciated.

Everyone's first reaction is to laugh at it. However the coolest thing we can do is drive our sailing barriers forward and this system enables you to capture and enjoy winters better winds and waves.

I am awaiting test confirmation of performance from Chris Bull working for kiteworld. In advance of getting that can I offer a pioneers video and report that came in on Thursday. -Ian Barrett – Windsurfer, south coast.

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What I like about this video is it shows the system in actual use, the majority of the time the mouth piece lives on your chest not needed. Ian’s covering email to this video submission read as follows -
“I definitely did get to test the heating system, it was so good but for reasons I didn’t expect. I sailed off Hayling Island seafront, from the sandbar in a northerly on Tuesday, around 20 knots wind and 7-8 degrees air temp according to chimet.co.uk. I was out for a couple of hours when the other 2 windsurfers headed back in so I headed in too (not clever being out in a northerly with fading light on your own!) The other 2 had quit due to cold, I genuinely hadn’t felt it. It was the not realising how cold it was that surprised me, the others were really struggling and I felt I could carry on. Modifying the mitts helped a lot and had only a tiny bit of added fatigue I think.”

Your interest in this is much appreciated.
No more cold hands
Iain   ismith@ianovated.com      www.ianovated.co.uk

 

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If there was a relatively

If there was a relatively inexpensive tubing/mouthpiece/Velcro system without the suit I would buy it just on the slight chance that it might work. I've tried everything else I can think of for my hands.

I kite down to about zero Celsius, sometimes a little below, and my hands are the only problem. Thick mittens keep them warm but really limit my grip. I've bean dreaming of a waterproof, electric heating system for hands, or some other sort of creative solution. If I could use my 2mm mitts with a heating system in 30F I would be happy.

This system certainly wins the prize for being creative!

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No more cold hands

Hi
My system solves the hand problem working with 2mm mitts down to 30F and the 6 week trial money back guarantee applies to that defined performance level.

Sadly the system only works when you run the tubes along the inside of the wetsuit, too much heat is lost between the mouth and the hands when the tubes go along the outside.
For that reason the wetsuit has been designed around the hand heating system. It is a conventional flush fit below the chest but a very baggy fit across the shoulders and down the arms which is facilitated by the dry zip and blind stitched/glued seams. Thus you are totally neutral to the tubes running along the inside of the suit and the breath is insulated/heated up by being next to your body. If you fall in, the bit of water that creeps into the tubes will be blown out warm by the time you are back up and going - it heats up that fast!
The mouldings to feed the tubes in and out of the suit are a squeeze tight fit so that they can be adjusted but also create a water tight fit.

In contrast when I invented this system I was simply stuffing tubes down the side of the neck and wrist seals making the suit very uncomfortable to wear and very wet when you fell in.

The way to look at it is this, your existing winter wetsuits are needed for the cold water but when the air is a hand neutral 10°c plus, and this wetsuit is needed to be used along side your existing wetsuits for the days when the air is below 10°c.

The 6 week try it money back guarantee is not an empty committment, in the unlikely event that you do not get on with the suits I will issue the full refund. When paying by credit card you can of course enforce that guarantee from your end by calling your card company and lodging the claim - not that you will have to.

Your interest in this is really appreciated, if some of you did join my team of pioneers I can assure you your winter sailing will be very different - no more cold hands

Iain 

 

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No more cold hands

Hi
Thank you very much for all your continued interest in my website yesterday. I would just like to share with you all a query that came up.

Although I am a "Fred in a shed" company my wetsuits are not made in the shed. They are made in China by an established reliable company just like every other wetsuit on the market, although I also have to coordinate two other factories for my suits unique component parts that I invented.

Most pioneers express surprise that the suits are of a typical market quality. If your browser translate works look at the postings made by Joshua on Nov 18 and J Coins on Nov 27  two pioneers in the Netherlands that went on the forum below

 http://forum.windsurfing.nl/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=13879656&sid=c5de95e91667220dbb42cd7524e3cfe2&start=20

Thank you once again for all your interest in my web site

Iain

 

by Joshua »Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:34 pm

Suits are inside. 1st impression = super. White tubes standard in the suit, smart to draw attention to bring the water. Are also black tubes supplied, you see it as well as not. Additional nozzle there and 6 pin plugs, so you can even if the tubes due to warmer weather, no need remove the tubes, pens in it and you have a drysuit. The suits are of very good quality, thought it would be more old school passion of someone who had invented something fun .. Nothing is less true, top quality from a known manufacturer. Regarding the fit, even thought about it .. It's more of a steamer with a wide upper torso and a drysuit zipper. As I mentioned earlier with a wetsuit underneath, could but a 2mm suit. Previously a shorty or gewateerd thermal shirt and trousers, if in this pack is water coming up to your kidneys same as with a steamer. Above is some space, but NOT comparable to a dry suit which one plunges, you can do it with clothes embarkation or thermo suit or wetsuit. In this suit is not .. The seal seal well, rub your wrists and ankles with nivea cream from a tube, so slings your hair on arms and legs and connect it even better. The neck seal is fine, inward beaten gives no choke (suffocation and should not feel this way). The tubes are okay if your hand so you do not blow brand, but through a tube in an instant because = heat on your fingers.(Gloves not included) A hood over your head and a pair of winter shoes in combination with this suit and mittens will you surf years only stopping when there is ice. (Note winter windsurfing is always with a buddy or others windsurfers near or side to happen, if something happens eg boom breaks or board independently of gear) hypothermia by long in the water are also a drysuit not avoid. Unfortunately this weekend can not try out, bad cold, hopefully this weekend, it is cold and wet so fine a test run, provided some wind.
 
 

by J. coins »Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:50 pm

Sunday the Ianovated drysuit for the first time aangehad! 

The suit looks good, nicely finished and is quite light in weight. 

Attracting vh the suit is very easy, and closes below the ankles 

and wrists tightly. 

I under this grab a shirt worn Oneill thermal and thermal underwear. 

The suit is easy and pinches off anywhere! 

I am normally accustomed to wearing suits Oneill the tighter connection, whatever 

the intention. 

Ianovated This suit is so pretty loose and gives more freedom of movement, which is very nice. 

The hoses that about tuna shoulders and on the arms of my wrists again come out 

are not in the way and you feel they are not sitting. 

The suit provides warmth even when longer stationary . 

At one point I got cold hands and am going to blow through the mouthpiece. 

Indeed, you find that the warm air easily through the open glove hands warms. 

easy if you occasionally have cold hands for quick heating up . 

My first impression f. suit is very good, did not expect that I would have so warmly. 

had much freedom as I have very pleasant experience, the feeling that nothing pinches and yet this warmth around you. Indeed, compared to my other suits, this is a very nice suit. 

now once again tested by 0-5 degrees!
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Thanks for all the info. I

Thanks for all the info. I hadn't thought about the problem of any tubing being outside the suit allowing the air to cool it. I was thinking about trying to make a system like this outside the suit but now I know it won't work.

I'm Intrigued by the suit but I have a fairly new drysuit with lots of features that I love, (pee zip, attached gore tex socks, etc). I'll wait and look at reviews, maybe think about it for the future if people love it.

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super interesting... so is it

super interesting...

so is it more or less keeping you dry? or does water flush in and wet the suit? like a wetsuit? or like an Ion?

Is there a difference in thickness between the double-sided and the smooth skin? does one keep you warmer? why the two different ones?

I wonder how much mobility you have for doing tricks. And if you hit the water hard, will the tubes bruise cause they are under the suit?

and does the tub ever cut your hand?

you should throw a mouth guard into the design Wink

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Hi, thank you for your

Hi, thank you for your interest.

The suit is a dry build - dry seams and zip and most of the time when you fall in it keeps you dry. However the seals around the neck wrist and ankles are a bit looser than a full dry suits but therefore much much more comfortable. The down side to this balance is in certain situations you may get a trickle down the neck that is large enough for you to feel. In that situation the water gets heated up as normal wetsuits do, the suit is made of 5/4mm neoprene and is a flush fit below the chest. A neoprene under layer may be the answer but for most the extent to which water gets in is not significant and they simply have rash vests or thermal vests on.

Windsurfers have been brain washed by the industry to believe that the water absorbed by an external nylon protective layer causes significant extra wind chill. I doubt this is a significant factor but I have taken on a big enough battle this year so I am avoiding that issue by offering both designs! The neoprene is the 5 % 4 mm mix in both cases.

To date all my pioneers have really loved the comfort and mobility the baggy fit along the arms and across the shoulders gives you.

The tube is a soft plastic (Shore 55A) there is no circumstance when they would dig into you enough to hurt/harm you.

One pioneer, the windsurfer David Naylor, did claim that leaving the mouth piece in his mouth made him braver for doing forward loops because it felt like he had a mouth guard. To cover my safety acreditation I'll stick to the line "do not do tricks with it in your mouth"!

Thank you for your time
Iain

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Have you heard of the UK's

Have you heard of the UK's Chris Bull? - just in
Chris Bull – The UK’s Kitesurf Pioneer and Guru. – Hayling Island www.cbk-haylingisland.com His full suit test report will be published in Kiteworlds January 2013 magazine. He first tested the nylon lined suit on Friday 7th Dec 12, a day time high of 4 to 5°c. His email report back read. Yes I got out with it yesterday, in some pretty strong, cold North West wind. Enjoyed my session and was very comfortable and warm, my hands were not cold at all! I was wearing full length gloves. Would definitely like to try it some more and test it out in some really Baltic conditions. It does look a little clunky at first glance but I was pleasantly surprised about how well the system worked, it didn’t get in the way at all. Being warm is far more important than image!!

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Hi everyone As it is also

Hi everyone
As it is also very cold where you are, you may be interested in the suit test we did last week in -3°C and falling snow.

See video

In fresh water we had problems with ice forming on the boards and sails but on the sea we could have enjoyed sailing in -3°C thanks to the suits.
Iain

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Hi everyone As it is also

Hi everyone
As it is also very cold where you are, you may be interested in the suit test we did last week in -3°C and falling snow.

See video

In fresh water we had problems with ice forming on the boards and sails but on the sea we could have enjoyed sailing in -3°C thanks to the suits.
Iain

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http://www.kiteworldmag.com/w
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A kiting session after Nemo in 20F

http://waterloggedbyscooper.blogspot.com/2013/02/life-after-nemo.html

The barriers to our sport have moved in our favour.
Iain

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